What’s College Without A Campus? Plus Ziwe Makes Things Awkward

What's College Without A Campus? Plus Ziwe Makes Things Awkward

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Columbia University class of 2020 graduates pose for celebratory photographs on Commencement Day around the Alma Mater statue near the Low Memorial Library Wednesday, May 20, 2020, in New York. Frank Franklin II/AP hide caption

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What's College Without A Campus? Plus Ziwe Makes Things Awkward

Columbia University class of 2020 graduates pose for celebratory photographs on Commencement Day around the Alma Mater statue near the Low Memorial Library Wednesday, May 20, 2020, in New York.

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Colleges and universities around the world are getting ready for a new year, but like everything else, coronavirus is complicating everything. Some are closing campus and moving online, others plan to bring students back with social distancing. Sam checks in with Tressie McMillan Cottom, associate professor at UNC-Chapel Hill and author of Lower Ed: The Troubling Rise of For-Profit Colleges in the New Economy, about the state of higher education and why not all colleges are created equal when it comes to prioritizing health over business and the full college experience. Then he chats with comedian and Desus and Mero writer Ziwe Fumudoh, whose recent interviews with white celebrities like Alison Roman and Rose McGowan have generated a lot of social media buzz for her frank questions about race. They talk about the art of the interview and her comfort with discomfort.

This episode of ‘It’s Been a Minute’ was produced by Jinae West, Anjuli Sastry and Andrea Gutierrez. Our editor is Jordana Hochman. Our director of programming is Steve Nelson. You can follow us on Twitter @NPRItsBeenAMin and email us at samsanders@npr.org.

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